Ordinarily wouldn't reopen an old thread but my question / comment is directly pertinent. Drag the brush the entire length of the painting surface (with the wood grain) in one fluid brush stroke. Is it possible to mask and and spray it? Some of the metalshield products even clean up in water. Put your brush on it and wait for 15mins. Skipping the Prep. The main reason for thinning enamel airbrush paint is to provide you with a spray that is smooth and consistent. Use the step by step guide to ensure that you get a professional finish. General purpose thinners will wash Metalshild out pretty well to. Yeah, it depends on the exact product. I have used the Premium and thinned it with acetone and cleaned up with general purpose thinners. I am almost exclusively a brush painter, using mostly Testors and Model Master paint. ""Heavy naphtha boils between 90 °C and 200 °C and consists of molecules with 6–12 carbon atoms". Kerosene leaves behind an oily film. Well, the procedure is quite simple. When you paint up and down with a brush those vertical brush lines just stay there as nothing allows them to spread out into each other. I can't be bothered trying anymore, metalshield now gets used on a cheap brush all day which gets binned at the end. Hold the bristles under a warm tap and wash out all of the solvent. Go with the Grain. can come with nice smells. I've tried cleanup primer from a brush with mineral turps – doesn't seem to be working much. If it's "Substitute", then it may not work as well as proper mineral turpentine in this case. These brushes are also suitable for use with sample pot paints when testing out new paint colours. But when you look back at the ingredients for the actual paints, the 'Epoxy Enamel' uses mainly light aromatic naphtha (CAS 64742-95-6), and 'Premium' uses mainly Stoddard's solvent (8052-41-3), which is close to hydrodesulphurized heavy naphtha. The Metalshield Brush Thinner 965-H0010, according to the 5 April 2016 MSDS provided, contains:"Mineral Turpentine, CAS:'nil', 100%"Yeah, not very impressed with that document! So be careful not to slosh it around like you can with turps, and avoid breathing it in. Place the dirty brush in the can with the cleaner bristles down, and allow it to soak for 20 to 30 minutes. (obviously as same product the 'genuoine' shite would be equally useless. Just a heads up that Xylene is one of the more toxic solvents you can easily buy. It's what they call Gum Turps not the garden variety mineral turps. Pasted as rich text. If required, it can take a LOT more thinning than that, like outlining camo or spot spraying. Open the can of paint and stir it to mix it thoroughly. I suspected there was a difference between Metalshield and 'Metalshield Premium' (a silicon alkyd enamel), hence the confusion. Dulux state for Metalshield Brush Thinner 965-H0010:"Used for the thinning and clean up of Metalshield Premium and Metalshield Epoxy Enamel"So it says for _both_ types of Metalshield paints, OK, moving on.... 'Premium' paint contains:CHEMICAL ENTITY – CAS NO – PROPORTION2-Butanone, oxime 96-29-7 <1 % (w/w)Toluene 108-88-3 1 – 10 % (w/w)White spirit – 8052-41-3* – 30 – 60 % (w/w){which we know as 'Mineral Turpentine' in Australia, [aka: mineral spirits (US, Canada), turpentine substitute, petroleum spirits, solvent naphtha, Varsol, Stoddard solvent]}. Some of the metal primers are clean up with methylated spirits. I looked for data sheets but I didn't look for the thinner sheet ! What about spraying into the intakes and dipping into Future? If you thin the paint, you thin the covering power at the same time; with old Humbrol, we found that adding about 10% white spirit was (just about) acceptable. Can you recommend it? Experience has proven that to obtain a smooth spray, you need to thin it until the … ),and 'heavy' Naptha for the MetalShield Premium, probably where the Xylene comes into it. I completely agree with all the above, for MM enamel I start with about 1;3 thinner to paint ratio, then doctor it as I go to meet my specific needs. There is a chance that you will have to further thin out your enamel paint, but this will be dictated by the spray pattern you are looking to achieve and the way your particular … I've used a lot of metalshield this year on industrial projects. Just the paint. They are normally pretty useful. Sash style brushes are suitable for covering large surfaces and achieving great coverage from good pick up and release of paint. And they straight faced tell you to go out buy it, not turps, don't give turps a mention, to clean up their paint. Meeden Micro Detail Paintbrush Set. 100% ! Your link has been automatically embedded. Take it out and put it on a sheet to dry. Have you tried calling Dulux Help and Advice. Then shake the brush to let all the remaining paint dissolve in water. When I … By 25 de janeiro de 2020. Rigger – These long, thin round brushes work well with fluid paint. You sure picked a hard color to brush. I've tried cleanup primer from a brush with mineral turps. However I guess the thing at the bottom of it is that the same chemical reactions would be initiated with either. Airbrush Thinning Ratios In general when spraying paints through Aztek airbrushes, the paint should be the consistency of whole milk or thinner. To mix into a cup, you should: Put a few drops of paint into the cup. NOVAModeler, You should also take into consideration that all manufacturers of enamel paints differ when it comes to the paint’s viscosity. This particular consistency will give you a great starting point. used by artists. When reapplying enamel paint to worn and discolored areas, use a single thin coat at a time. ", So...."Light naphtha is the fraction boiling between 30 °C and 90 °C and consists of molecules with 5–6 carbon atoms. I see there's xylene or something, one or two of those bad things I saw warnings about when I was into auto paint. For a thinner paint job, add in 2 cups (470 mL) of paint thinner into 1 cup (240 mL) of oil paint. One of our club members used to build airliners, and always bushed white (and silver,) and his finish was immaculate, so white can be brushed, but it needs care (don't look at me, I use an aerosol white primer, which can double as the top colour with the addition of a clear gloss varnish.) Yep, I used turps while I was waiting to see what Whirlpool would have to say and it seemed okay. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. This is an excellent set of detail brushes with a wide variety of … Matt, you dipped your F-16 intake into house paint right? Then go back and lightly smooth out the paint by dragging the brush from one end to the other. FAQs. But gum turps – made from living trees – can be far more toxic than white spirit (mineral turps) I read. 3. He always says that you should never brush backwards and forwards, since, by the time of a return stroke, the enamel will have started to dry, so you'll drag it off with the second pass. This is one of those things we hear ALL the time, yet it’s hard to follow. I need to do a bit of tricky brush painting inside something and plan to use enamel for it works better than acrylics. It needs to be slow drying. Stir in more thinner to water down the paint. Keep brush strokes as even as possible. That's how its done, eh? × The first step begins at the paint store. Thinning to a consistency of milk will provide you with a good starting point. Try not to push brushes too hard into bottom, ruining bristles. Never add thinner to the paint jar. If you thin the paint, you thin the covering power at the same time; with old Humbrol, we found that adding about 10% white spirit was (just about) acceptable. Never seems to come good. how to thin enamel paint for brush; Olá, mundo! After pouring your paint into a tray, pour in a larger amount of turpentine or mineral spirits to dilute the mixture. Published by on 26 de dezembro de 2020. However, you may need to thin the enamel more or less depending on the pattern you’re looking for, and the way your airbrush acts. Then, start painting at the center of your piece and work your way outwards. [11] Always paint in one direction. This is true. Yeah it is. Feel free to change it up for generic stuff. Large Scale Modeller I suspected there was a difference between Metalshield and 'Metalshield Premium' (a silicon alkyd enamel), hence the confusion. Display as a link instead, × This statement from that link pretty much spells it out: "Since Dulux don't say what their mineral turpentine 'Brush Thinner' consists of exactly, it’s hard to know their proportions of light to heavy naphtha. If the paint is over thinned, the paint cannot be thickened. more expensive. So 'light' Solvent Naptha for the standard MetalShield Epoxy (maybe even Shellite?? The CAS listed [8052-41-3] translates to 'Stoddard Solvent', which is "a US term corresponding to: 'white spirit type 1', which has a CAS of 64742-82-1 – "hydrodesulphurized heavy naphtha (petroleum)". Or it really needs their proprietary stuff? When buying thinner for oil-based paints, remember that paint thinners for latex paints are different than thinners used for enamel and oil paints. Have two open, one to get most of the color off the brush and second one for the rest. Enamel paint can also be applied by spray. See, the brush is ready to be used. Through thinning the enamel paint, you will get a consistent, smooth spray of paint. Only hassles I seem to get is when I forget what I've used a brush for and mix up metho brushes with turps. In most cases you want to start by thinning your enamel paint to the consistency of milk. Appears you have to read the 'fine print' on that bottle of "Mineral Turpentine" you buy. I note that the 2014 and earlier 2016 edition of that MSDS have different information to the above. I've got this Dulux Metalshield Epoxy Enamel and it directs us to Dulux Metalshield Brush Thinner or Metalshield Spray Thinner for thinning and cleanup. My question is can one use odorless mineral spirits for thinning it? If you're using regular enamel paint like Testors, then regular paint thinner is fine. Holding the brush by the handle, work the solvent thoroughly into the bristles in order to free any enamel paint. I need to find a better way here. Originally used to paint the rigging of ships in paintings, they are the fine liners of the brush world. Add 2-3 drops of water or thinner to the paint. Xylene is the correct thinner to use. Powered by Invision Community. I generally thin the paint about 60% paint to 40% enamel thinner. It will be MM Gloss white. A lot of commercial Enamel Paint thinners are Mineral-Spirit-based. According to the data sheet, Dulux Metalshield Brush Thinner is 100% turps. Use a clean brush that is free of dust and other elements. Can You Thin Enamel Paint With Lacquer Thinner. My fault again... cripes.... Dulux Metalshield Brush Thinner is 100% turps. Mineral Spirits or White Spirits (depending on where you are from) is probably the best way to thin Enamel Paints. But after reading around it seems to me that if gum turps dissolves it then mineral turps should dissolve it too, but maybe a bit slower at it. Otherwise to remove dried paint from a brush, whether its enamel, lacquer, oil or water-based, use paintbrush restorer. Consider Oil-Based Paint. Just take a glass jar and fill it halfway with the paint thinner. × The MetalShield Spray Thinner 965-H0009, according to the 8 April 2016 MSDS, contains;CHEMICAL ENTITY – CAS NO – PROPORTIONNaphtha (petroleum) light aromatic – 64742-95-6 – 30-60 % (w/w)Toluene – 108-88-3 – 30-60 % (w/w). Not sure about the epoxy stuff. It's for F-4B phantom intakes - the inside portion - not that visible (1:48 scale Academy). We use a heck of a lot of paint products too and only metalshield gives us grief. You cannot paste images directly. What color is the base? Googling around it seems there's not much difference from the point of view of the user when it comes to cleaning up paint. At whatever lovely price they charge for it. I use the kit intakes, with a seam which has been filled and sanded reasonably well but not perfectly. Ideally, you should thin your enamel paint to the same consistency as milk. Does it even need thinning. Question: How to clean enamel paint from the brush handle? It has caught me out too. There are various products. A 'generic' Turps 'Substitute' may be half-arsed for both, as it does neither well?I understand Diggers Turps is mostly heavy Naptha, so more suited to Premium version, not so great for the standard Epoxy version:Solvent naphtha (petroleum), light aromatic 64742-95-6 < 40%Naphtha (petroleum), hydrodesulphurized heavy 64742-82-1 < 70%. :( No CAS listed. One tip, which we always found useful, was to stand the tinlet in a dish of warm water; this had the effect of making the paint "runnier," without losing any covering power. Brush the fresh coat on carefully to make sure that the surface remains uniform. I've used a lot of metalshield this year on industrial projects. Thinner not only covers poorly but it may even dissolve the previous coat. White mineral spirits will be fine. Revell is a typical enamel and requires mineral spirits of some sort - turpentine or "paint thinner" (as it's called in the US). This style of brush can be used in conjunction with wall brushes when needing to paint walls, doors and ceilings. Do not to over thin flat Enamels, as they can turn to a gloss if over thinned. https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product/3a4a1b5c-903c-4049-8047-8d7355420e97.pdf, In that case don't use it. Some of the metal primers are clean up with methylated spirits. gum turps seems to be the more highly refined and dissolves things better perhaps. Another tip that you may already know (but need to do!) You should find it at Bunnings. You can post now and register later. Based on manufacturer’s recommendations its good to avoid products such as lacquer thinner or mineral spirits for thinning – although you can use them for the quick clean-up. Do not start the thinning process before reading the label on your enamel paint. Your previous content has been restored. Using an angled brush wet with paint, make a second pass with only the tips running over the surface just painted. … Reload often. Dipping the brush in turpentine will ensure it is absolutely clean. Nobody seems to like oil-based paint anymore, but, I believe it still has its … The only whites I have are XF-2, MM Gloss White enamel and Gunze Lacquer Off-white. I used mineral turps with my metalshield metal epoxy and it worked fine. Given the $ I'd already spent on bloody turps etc which didn't work, I ended up going for this option: I can't be bothered trying anymore, metalshield now gets used on a cheap brush all day which gets binned at the end, and am convinced that with $3 brushes from Bunnings, it's the most cost effective option :). According to the data sheet, Dulux Metalshield Brush Thinner is 100% turps. You want to apply a thin coat, but don’t “stretch” the paint on the brush. Thinning industrial and automotive enamels including paving paints ; Removing wax and grease prior to spraying; Stripping enamel paint ; Cleaning enamel over-spray; Improves paint consistency; Diggers Enamel Thinner is specially formulated for thinning enamel paints for spraying as well as surface preparation and cleaning. They have changed formulation more than once in the last 5 years. You want those ridges from your brush strokes to flatten out, going side-to-side. What Thinner For Dulux MetalShield Epoxy Enamel? Turps hasn't done a great job of cleaning my brushes. He always says that you should never brush backwards and forwards, since, by the time of a return stroke, the enamel will have started to dry, so you'll drag it off with the second pass. I think I got zapped a tad by the fumes from the paint though. While you are at the store, you’ll need to purchase some thinning agents. Upload or insert images from URL. Turps hasn't done a great job of cleaning my brushes. is to paint with the grain on wood surfaces. Either of those solvents will "thin" the enamel but will reduce their "cover" effectiveness without helping you with your brush cleaning. Clear editor. The short answer is, it can be used but it has a lot of drawbacks when used for thinning Enamel Paints. I know, I did feel brave and now decided I might not be that brave after all. Mix your enamel paint with a stir stick and dip your brush into it, wiping off all excess paint. Rigger brushes, also known as liner brushes, make long continuous strokes that are useful for painting fine details like branches, as well as for lettering and calligraphy. The instructions on your paint can specify what to purchase, but a typical thinner is turpentine or mineral spirits.. For thinning it, you will need to get some acetone which will thin the paint properly. I've tried cleanup primer from a brush with mineral turps – doesn't seem to be working much. Categories . For those who are more confident of the thinner to paint ratio, you can mix a large amount into a bottle, so you don’t have to thin every time you use that color. Most of these paints will need you to thin your paint before you use it in your airbrush. Some paints cannot be thinned, so check carefully. If you are able to work fast enough, paint in shorter strokes for the best coverage. Matt, Do you mean spraying the enamel or Vallejo or brushing, or dipping? February 27, 2014 in Modelling Discussion. Put on your gloves, safety glasses and dust mask, then pour the paint brush … full paint brush image by jimcox40 from Fotolia.com You can use it to clean brushes and thin the paint. I've found that thicker tends to leave brush marks. But while the Dulux product and others like it can be cleaned with Turps some metal primers and paints will only clean up in Paint Thinners. 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